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October 26, 2009

question…

 

in your opinion…what is the difference between a “weapon” and the tongue?

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  1. October 27, 2009 1:09 am

    There is very little difference in those words….almost synonymous. A weapon can hurt a little if it grazes you, can cause great damage if it penetrates and could kill you. It can also protect you, feed you, comfort you.
    The tongue can do all of those as well, killing you internally, emotionally with hurtful words. It can also give love, kisses, whispers…..

    Yeah, now that I’ve typed that, there is no difference…..God gave us this darned free will and we have a choice in how to use these things.

    By the way, I love you all!! 😀

    • October 27, 2009 9:31 am

      “The tongue can do all of those as well, killing you internally, emotionally with hurtful words. It can also give love, kisses, whispers…..”

      amazing. the power of the tongue.

      we love you too…sincerely!

  2. October 27, 2009 3:54 am

    Opinion? Well… I think the tongue is more pink and fleshy, and primarily meant fr something other than harm. Whereas a weapon is black and steely and primarily meant for “harm” whether by offense or defense or whatever.

    I once had a friend who loved to do skits. She was hysterical. Like a Christian Tina Fey or something. Just amazing what she could do. She was once in a skit with another guy, they were spoofing Adam and Eve fighting in the garden or something. And she got all huffy over Adam – and finally took this Martial Arts stance – wild-eyed – and declared: “My body is a weapon! My body is a weapon!” I crack up every time I think about it.

    Of course, in this world there are a set of supernatural rules that we have to live by – and I think my friend was on to something. According to James (and some of the proverbs), the tongue can be a very destructive force.

    And, as most of us know, James’ opinion should be much more highly regarded than my own.

    Let’s go with James on this one.

    • October 27, 2009 9:30 am

      “I think the tongue is more pink and fleshy, and primarily meant for something other than harm. ”

      first…ha! you make me smile.

      second – yes…it is meant for something other than harm. but unfortunately it is often used for harm anyway. which, imo, can be way more harmful and detrimental than a weapon (gun, knife, rolling pin, wet towel-trust me on that last one-)

  3. Heidi permalink
    October 27, 2009 4:35 am

    “Our words are the evidence of the state of our hearts as surely as the taste of the water is an evidence of the state of the spring.”Ryles

    You nor I will never be perfect in this. but James says that if our speech is perfect we will be able to keep our bodies in check. We should be striving to be more like Jesus and for Jesus to be in control of every part of our lives, that includes our words.

    He tells us how carefully chosen words or sometimes simply refraining from speaking at all can bring healing, can guard life, can sow seeds of peace.

    I guess if we look at our attitudes and actions towards others do we build people up or tear them down?

    If we are actively seeking a control Tongue then we should have God’s perfect example of the law of love in the forefront of our minds and resist.

    This isn’t easy!

    • October 27, 2009 9:27 am

      it is not easy. there is too much flesh involved. and anyone who says they have mastered it…is wrong and fooling themselves. this is not to say that we should not be mindful of it tho.

      “He tells us how carefully chosen words or sometimes simply refraining from speaking at all can bring healing, can guard life, can sow seeds of peace.”

      mmm. the refraining from speaking at all part is something i need more practice on.

  4. October 27, 2009 6:05 am

    Usually a weapon can only kill someone once.

  5. October 27, 2009 6:47 am

    mmm.

    you all have said exactly what i thought youd say.

    and it speaks volumes of your hearts… i do love you all!

  6. October 27, 2009 9:17 am

    I think James specifies that our new lives, the transformation, salvation shows up in the way people talk. Their tongue and speech share their heart. He also shows us that we need to recognize that living by faith shows itself in controlling the tongue. When he talks throughout James about the mouth and the tongue, it isn’t that he is blaming the mouth and tongue, like they somehow operate independently, but that they are the organ that the heart expresses itself through.

    In Psalm 64:3, it speaks of the tongue being an arrow, not a knife, and I believe that it is expressed that way because it can kill from a distance. It can kill without being anywhere near the victim. I have been on both the receiving and giving end of tongue death. Not fun, not of God.

    Just as we put a thermometer under our tongue to tell us our physical temperature, our tongue shows our spiritual temperature, and it is something we can and need to learn how to control.

    • October 27, 2009 9:24 am

      this is good.

      maybe the arrow represents the aim. typically, an arrow is not thrown unless there is a target, something aimed for…its very planned, methodical.

      yup. thats our tongue.

    • October 28, 2009 9:22 pm

      Debs – so you are saying you have both killed and have been killed by a tongue??

      Are you writing from the morgue or the prison??

      That’s a really strange understanding of the term ‘death’.

      Saying the tongue is what kills people is sadly off the mark. You are far more correct to use my words from a few days ago to Raging that it is in fact the mind and heart that is where the ‘blame’ really lies – the tongue is a convenient scapegoat. And not only the heart and the mind that is in control of the ‘killing’ tongue (that does no such thing) but the ears and heart and mind and arms and legs of the people who hear and obey the ‘commands’ of someone else’s ‘tongue’ so as to use a REAL weapon to actually achieve the physical death of a human body.

      And let us not forget the ‘hand’ that writes the words of hate and hurt – our fingers must also carry the same blame as the tongue since the words of scriptures of the various religions that add to the divisive natures of ‘opposing’ religions that cause so much death and destruction from ‘religious’ wars between peoples who see God in different ways.

      it comes down to what is in our hearts – i completely refuse to permit mine to ever own or allow me the use of a gun – more because i don’t believe any human is ever completely in control of their own actions (let alone their tongue) so they should not own one and because of the PERMANENCY and ease of the death of another human a gun causes, whereas i don’t believe there is ever anything done by a ‘tongue’ (heart) that cannot be undone by it. And partially because if i did own one there are times when i could see myself being strongly tempted to use it for the purpose for which it was designed and i am not yet able to overcome ALL temptation.

      And i know that if i ever did i would be far guiltier than i ever have been because of what i intentionally said (be it out of anger or otherwise), or was misunderstood by someone else, to have said.

      i am not ignoring the fact that some people can at various times in their life be extremely vulnerable to having their feelings hurt by something someone has said to them (or often what they mistakenly thought was being said) that there are non-physical ‘wounds’ some may carry for the whole of their human life and perhaps beyond.

      i am saying these wounds are never fatal* and can often be healed completely. But when a bullet takes your life there is no second chance. This happens 10,000 times a year in the US

      * The wound is never fatal but if it is allowed to go deep enough and fester in the mind there may be in some cases a subsequent fatality if the injured party does not get adequate medical mental care to deal with it. Just like a bullet to the knee might not be considered ‘fatal but if infected or untreated to stem bleeding will result in physical death.

      If you shoot a guy in the knee and he chooses not to get help and dies – are you then a murderer? Should an injured person not find a way to recover from such a wound?

      How about someone who is wounded by words? Should they also seek professional help to recover?

      <B

      • October 28, 2009 9:40 pm

        so, bob…this is more about you. what you are capable of, or incapable of, concerning owning a gun. and thats fine. if it aint for you, great. but you must not impose that onto others. scripture actually speaks to that. if i knew you didnt eat meat, i wouldnt have you over for prime rib. if i knew you were opposed to guns…i wouldnt take you hunting. simple as that.

        all my uncles own guns. theyve never once taken a mans life. not once.

        ive known two people who’ve shot people with their guns. my cousin and my first husband. both suicides. if they didnt have guns…they wouldve used something else. they were toxic with their lives. they didnt want to live. and even though my first husband held that rifle against my body – he didnt kill me (obviously) but his actions, his words, the beatings…killed a big part of me. no, not a physical death – but parts that can not be resurrected. you cant get that back either.

        some people are dumb gun owners. some are dumb sleeping pill owners, axe owners, car owners, hammer owners, pool owners. all known to kill people…accidentally and maliciously. if someones gonna kill – theyll do whatever they can to accomplish it. its a sad human, sinful fact.

        • October 28, 2009 10:00 pm

          NO Tam – it is not more about ‘me’ at ALL!!!

          you have your personal opinion and are insisting upon not seeing where i am truly coming from – you read my words but in your own bias.

          i said i did not allow my heart to permit me to own a gun, that is true – but it is not because i don’t like them personally (true – i don’t because of the misery i know they cause and cannot see any redeeming feature sufficient to overcome that) it is because i am thinking of ALL the lives that are being taken daily – EITHER intentionally (which only some can be prevented by the elimination of guns) and the UNintentional use of them where there was NO justification whatsoever for their presence in someone’s hand or life.

          it is because i value the lives of others and not my own personal desire that i make the choice not to follow the crowd who want to own a gun or who think one is the only form of ‘family’ protection.

          I have similar attitudes to nuclear weapons and i can assure you i won’t ever be owning one of those either – if they exist then sooner or later all ‘sides’ will want/need and eventually own one – but that is another day’s conversation.

          <B

          • October 28, 2009 10:16 pm

            bob, i value the lives of others too.

            im not “insisting” on not seeing it your way. i just…dont. can you handle that, tho? not everyone will always agree with each other. thats ok. it doesnt make me a gunfighting/killer lover. and for the record…i never even said id own one. but…if faced with the decision of having to defend myself, or a loved one, and there was one within reach – you betcha id take out a femur. or an ankle. we have the right to bear arms and defend ourselves in such situations here. i would exercise that right if need be.

            tell me this. youve met the woman of your dreams. you think about her constantly. youve loved her for what seems like an eternity. you marry her. you adore her and treasure her for years to come. an intruder attempts to take her away from you. he has a gun in one hand, a knife in the other. your bride manages to kick the gun out of his one hand. it slides over to within your reach. intruder then begins to slit your brides flesh, closer and closer to her neck. do you choose to shoot him in the foot, or somewhere non-lethal, to protect your life-love? or do you stand there and watch your love murdered?

            not a far fetched possibility. in fact, pretty tame. hard to say what we’d do in such an unthinkable situation. but i know for me…id choose to take out a shin before i would watch someone slice my soul-mates throat.

            • October 29, 2009 8:45 pm

              You REALLY want to know what i would do in such a contrived situation that i have NEVER come anywhere close to in my fifty years of city-dwelling life? – what i TRULY believe in?

              i can not tell you with 100% certainty what i would do in such a highly emotionally charged situation, knowing that at such times it is our emotions that control us and very rarely the other way around ( us controlling them) but this is what i sincerely hope i would be doing/thinking.

              because this manic is committing a heinous crime against another person is NO reason for me to do likewise! Someone else’s crime is no reason for me to commit another one.

              Frankly, my personal belief is if i ever feel like killing someone is the only way i am going to keep my own physical life then i don’t have the right to live.

              This is based to a very large degree upon my understanding of Christ’s teaching to the Jews concerning an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth in Matthew.

              Whoever would save their life will lose it and whoever loses their life for His sake will save it.

              If i feel that way about my own life i’m hardly likely to feel any less strongly about my ‘love’s life.

              Heartless? choose your own opinion.

              <B

              • October 29, 2009 8:49 pm

                but i did not say kill them. i said shoot them in the foot. not kill. guns do not have to equal killing. that is the users choice…not the guns. i said shoot a foot bob.

                • October 30, 2009 9:32 pm

                  The guy has a knife and is slitting her throat. For all i know he is off his gourd on crack or methamphetamines. YOU may think shooting him in his foot ( if i could actually see it or if it was light enough to make out at night or if i was an expert marksman while in such a distracting distressing situation – but frankly? i think that would only make him cut deeper in a knee-jerk reaction to the pain ( if he could feel any) As someone else recently commented – if you were serious about stopping this idiot you’d shoot to KILL – not try to take out a limb.

                  That smacks more of a tv fantasy than a real life threatening situation – check with your local police force what their shooting policies are in such a situation – shoot to kill or just to wound – they are the experts in real life – not fairy-tales Hun.

                  i REALLY don’t believe shooting a homicidal maniac in the foot is going to stop what he’s doing that very second. if you do – fine. lets hope neither of us ever has to put our theories to the real test to try and save someone else’s life, huh?

                  As for Guns not having to equal killing – so very true. the current equation in the US is GUNS + BULLETS = 10000/7 billion DEAD or something slightly more than 1 in every million bullets fired from a gun kills someone.

                  a very small percentage right?

                  that still = 10 thousand dead Americans! it’s far nicer to think of the percentage and hope that one in a million bullet fired (every year) is not from your gun at your kid, or husband, or friend.

                  <B

                  • October 30, 2009 9:44 pm

                    fine. you wouldnt use a gun in this situation. i would. but my point was that i didnt say kill him…you did.

                    however, im thinkin right now if my daughters life was threatened in the hands of a killer and i could take a shot at that killer. i would.

                    you dont have to like that. and you certainly dont need to judge me on that.

                    that is my Gods job.

      • October 31, 2009 8:12 am

        “Are you writing from the morgue or the prison??” Clueless, you are just completely clueless… I can’t even believe you asked that from what I said.

        “Saying the tongue is what kills people is sadly off the mark” Then you don’t read the same Bible I do… more confirmation….

        The rest of what you wrote reminds me of Charlie Brown’s teacher…. you know they’re saying something, but don’t really need it.

        As far as someone having a knife to someone’s throat??? I’d aim, I’d shoot, if it hit them in the groin instead of the foot, oopsie. But I guarantee the one with the knife to the throat would be fine. You are really a class act bringing all of this to Tam’s blog by the way, what a guy! You have done more damage with you tongue the last few days, to human beings, then I ever have in 40 years with my gun. You need to really think about it Bob.

  7. October 27, 2009 9:39 am

    The tongue, like weapons, doesn’t have to be for one purpose only. It’s the choice of the user. A knife can kill, or it can cut up food to feed your family. The tongue can kill or it can feed another’s soul. CHOICES.

    • October 27, 2009 9:41 am

      i could make a fortune using all your brilliant words, typing them up and stuffin them into fortune cookies.

      i’ll give you a cut.

      • October 27, 2009 10:08 am

        I’d like my cut to be free Chinese food. I miss going for Chinese… sweet and sour chicken on chicken fried rice with an order of crab rangoon. Yes, please…

        • October 27, 2009 10:28 am

          i wont go into brents favorite chinese restaurant here, china hut, cuz the entry smells like pinesol. like, real strong pinesol.

          • October 27, 2009 10:33 am

            probably to cover up the smell of … oh, i can’t even say it. we’ll just say there was a restaurant here, many years ago, that was shut down. It’s nickname was Yung Kitty. make your own deductions.

            • October 27, 2009 10:36 am

              AHHHHH – my biggest fear validated in writing, right here.

              ughuhickaomabluhl!!!!!

              (thats the sound im making while gaggin)

    • October 27, 2009 10:25 am

      FANTASTIC!!!

      everyone – this is a must read.

  8. raginggenius permalink
    October 27, 2009 11:28 am

    Let us not forget that the tongue has ordered the death of billions.

  9. raginggenius permalink
    October 27, 2009 11:31 am

    I like how Deb points out that the tongue is the organ of the heart, awesome. I will me incorporating that on into my thinking.

  10. October 27, 2009 12:18 pm

    ouch. it is the easiest weapon that i forget i carry…wait, not that i carry weapons really.

    I need to work on holding my tongue…

    • October 27, 2009 12:19 pm

      not like holding my tongue with my hand….like stop saying some things….ya…you know what i meant.

      • October 27, 2009 2:05 pm

        good thing… cuz holding your tongue with your hand could be bad since it’s flu season and all… 😉

  11. raginggenius permalink
    October 27, 2009 1:16 pm

    I hear ya lynse. It’s a lesson that God has been working on with me. Sometimes I forget the thing is in my mouth 🙂

    • October 28, 2009 8:54 pm

      me too! its literally the thorn in my flesh, that occasionally pricks others. not good.

      hi.

  12. October 28, 2009 10:21 am

    The difference to me is that a weapon is only designed to harm.
    The tongue can serve a much greater purpose of spreading faith, hope and love.

  13. raginggenius permalink
    October 28, 2009 12:41 pm

    Killing animals to eat with any weapon isn’t a sin or a crime. Perhaps we should be more against people killing people instead of objects. Lay a gun on a table and see how many people it would kill.

    • October 28, 2009 8:49 pm

      get rid of the guns and see how many of the 10,000 Americans killed by guns each year stay alive!

      Saying Guns don’t kill people, people do is like saying knives don’t cut carrots people do – just try cutting a carrot without a knife – just try killing people without a gun – possible but so very much harder to do and almost impossible to kill a class full of teenagers with one – unlike a with semi-automatic.

      Knives do have another purpose, guns don’t Knives are needed – guns aren’t.

      <B

    • October 28, 2009 8:55 pm

      raging – if a person intends to kill and doesnt have a gun, they will use another means. so, youre right…it comes down to the person.

      • October 28, 2009 9:43 pm

        Tam – not in every case, a gun makes it far easier to kill one or a bunch of humans. But i’m more concerned with the person who never intends to kill – but because they have a gun handy – ends up doing so.

        Case 1 – a 6 year old who takes his parent’s gun to primary school and kills a classmate accidentally( in the US a couple of years ago)

        Case 2 – a guy goes to the house of a family where a male teenager has a $100 drug debt and takes a few mates along for backup and to add menace to increase his chance of getting the money back.

        The kid says he has no money in the house and won’t pay. As the guys drive off from the house one of the guys in the back of the car waiting in the roadway has a rifle and fires a shot he says was to frighten the teenager who owed the money into paying it back. The shot hits the kid who was still standing in the doorway and kills him.

        The guys involved are found by police ( i believe the guy who fired the shot walked into a police station later with his parents – these were NOT seriously bad drug dealers, just kids.) This was for $100 worth of speed – not millions in cocaine.

        The guy who fired the rifle pleaded not guilty saying he had no intention of hitting the guy with the shot, he was firing at the house, not the teenager.

        He ws charged and sentenced for manslaughter and was released after 2 years of jail time.

        The case is from Bunbury – a WA country town – and the dead boy was Lawrence Dix if anyone wants to do the internet research on this story.

        The ‘killer’ is now 21 and working for a building company in the town where the dead boys parents still live with their two other kids.

        i wonder if you were one of the families concerned in either of these cases if you would still think it was ‘necessary’ to have a gun to defend you and your family?

        i just don’t get why there is such strong insistence that guns in cities are necessary?

        <B

        • October 28, 2009 9:49 pm

          bob – our point is that not only guns kill. thousands of other objects are used to murder and kill, purposely or accidentally.

          those incidents are highly unfortunate. i cant stand learning of stories like those. they break my heart. much like drunk driving. rarely its the drunk driver who is killed when they cause an accident…its always the innocent. this is equally disturbing.

          anything can be used as a threat, irresponsibly, flippantly or innocently and cause a death. anything.

          this isnt about guns. its about people not being responsible or people having hatred in their hearts. its so much deeper than an object.

          • October 29, 2009 8:55 pm

            Tam – i FULLY agree and understand that there are thousands of ways to kill a human including strangling them with your bare hands and stamping on their heads with your feet. i know that and that it is impossible to prevent this, much as we all wish otherwise.

            What is completely and consistently being ignored here IS my point – that it IS only about guns in that guns are TOTALLY unnecessary and should ONLY be owned by criminals and the army in our countries.

            it is IMPOSSIBLE to legislate about hatred in someone’s heart – it is very simple to legislate that only criminals can own or carry a gun and any who do should be jailed for the safety of ALL concerned.

            i consider it somewhat frightening that so few Americans are capable of seeing the difference here.

            <B

            • October 29, 2009 9:00 pm

              unfortunately, here in america, we have the right to bear arms. period. it aint my rule. we also will face the consequence of breaking the law.

              it is unfortunate that anyone should die from a murder or accident. there is no way to prevent that. it is truly sad.

  14. October 28, 2009 9:49 pm

    As for the difference between a weapon and the tongue?

    One wounds and sometimes kills the body, one might be a scapegoat for hurt feelings.

    <B

  15. November 5, 2009 6:23 pm

    I think I’m pitich’ my tent in your camp, Tam. 🙂 You be one smart chica.

  16. November 5, 2009 6:35 pm

    ok. coming from you…wow.

    hi!!

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